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Writing in his MySpace blog, Chris introduced this interview as follows:

 

‘Back in the Spring of this year, in advance of the publication of the first hardback edition of THE PLAGIARIST, I created a MySpace page for the book.

As part of an ongoing gag at that time, I requested Russell Brand as a friend, and proceeded to post excerpts from ‘THE PLAGIARIST’ as comments on his page and on his blogs, with a view to achieving precisely what I’m not certain, but it was a laugh, and I did receive a number of friend requests from friends of his.

I also received a message from a user going by the name of Eire. I (as THE PLAGIARIST) responded, and over the next couple of weeks, quite an exchange took place, during which I explained and demonstrated the purpose of THE PLAGIARIST, and meandered around other topics, ranging from Russell Brand to James Joyce. I will be posting this lengthy freeform ‘interview, ’ unchanged and unedited, in my bogs in 2 parts (for digestibility).

Eire’s page is set to private and they have no picture, and s/he declined my friend request so I was unable to learn more of their identity, and I still have no idea who they are.’

 

E: Reading between your lines is difficult. This is what comes to mind- boerd, male, intelligent, scary, anarchasist, quirky(may have used hallocinogens), accocitive thinker(i dig that but not machine guns or devil music, 32? I doubt it.
2 points- If people were all good there would be no use for palagrisium. a lot of people are just thick.
Some Things are so beautiful they must be said/done more than once. the world is an old place but language and the new man is not...
Slainte! Agus bhfeidir is feidir leat feicanint i measc mo linte.

 

TP: Spot on!
Although anything but bored....
'The use of modern technologies and the advent of the Internet place a heightened emphasis on questions concerning notions of plagiarism and copyright, which I will be addressing on an ongoing basis throughout this project. '

 

E: I find the whole thing intrueging, i am boerd.
2 questions,
Why this project?
Why communicate in riddles(on profile and rus. blogs)

TP: Good questions. I hope I can provide good answers - in my own words.

The primary purpose of the project is to see exactly how far it is possible to push the idea of writing without actually doing any writing: ultimately, there will be the publication of an anti-novel, a book without an author (or many authors, depending on how you look at it).

Copyright is a big issue to artists, especially musicians and writers. The Internet is making enforcing copyright or establishing ownership of words increasingly difficult. But who owns words anyway?

William Burroughs famously created texts by cutting up existing texts and creating new phrases by randomly rearranging the old ones. This project, although not the first to do so, intends to extend this line of interrogation on issues of textual ownership. Yes, the words are stolen, borrowed, lifted, plagiarised, but when placed in a different order, can the 'original' 'author' really make any kind of claim?

The 'riddling' is simply a means of putting it out there ad I suppose in the bluntest terms you could call it marketing - and why not?

E: hmm, it is rarely i have to reread a text to understand. Novel complexity of notions. But never the less is must argue or comment upon.
20% of communication is verbal only the rest is proceesed by brain through body language ect..

I beleive this burroughs fella and your notion is ultimatley flawed. Or perhaps I misunderstand.

Although you are lifting others words(or general english language?) in an attempt to be original and create new processes in the writeing field and perhaps academia(a book?). You have obviously not studied the brain it wants what is fimilar and makes connections (even if subcinciously)to previous word arrangements (even if simplex) that is already read/seen/heard. Thats how the brain works.

E. g to further clarify someone writes 'i went to the shop yesterday' the syntex is agreed upon by the world and society as contemporay correct grammer.
You or whoever, be they human and sane(medical conditions cause incorrect grammer usage) will even if the words are cut out individually as 'I', 'went', 'to', 'the','shop','yesterday'. Your brain (unless ill) will by the law of nature and phycology will arrange that in some sensical form,even if you beleive it is random it is not. At a subconcious level your brain will tie in and make connections. This is called memory!!

The brain ultimatley seeks solaice in the familiar. Why is there a society? Religion? To hem in people no!! Because there is an inherint need to belong, most animals need to belong and be in a pack. The familiar and seeking peace of mind, as with syntex arrangement.

I admire your idea of trying to be original, but i dont in fact think it is original. Why dont you make up a new language or something? or form of comminucation. When I was 7 I could communicate with a non speaking child. And I know twins who communicate secreatly without speaking (they are less than a year old)- Now thats bloody genius!

Sorry I may have misunderstood, not being a bitch, but i must question these things...


 

TP: You're quite right, it is completely unoriginal. It is the fundamental premise of the avant-garde that to build one must destroy, and thus the entire point of avant-garde art or writing is, ultimately, self-collapsing, self-negating, self-defeating.

If we accept that postmodernism is the contemporary avant-garde in literary terms, then the current model is based on a celebration of the end of originality: everything is recycled, a reflection and an absorption of the past and present, all together, at once. The only way to be 'original' is to come up with a 'new' way of re-presenting the old. Or simply admitting that it's all been done before.

These contradictions aren't obstacles: they are the whole point. As for the brain... I understand your points. Yes.. but, to quote:

…the function of art is to make us aware of what we know and don’t know that we know. ’

On this premise, Burroughs’ work fulfils its function as ‘art. ’ The cut-ups have the capacity to function in a manner more common in certain poetical forms, in that the elision facilitates the freer flow of pure images. Lydenberg concurs, suggesting that cut-up passages can ‘produce images of intense clarity, a perception beyond the limits of conventional seeing. ’ ‘Cut-ups make explicit a psycho-sensory process that is going on all the time anyway,’ said Burroughs. ‘Somebody is reading a newspaper, and his eye follows the column in the proper Aristotelian manner… but subliminally he is reading the columns on either side and is aware of the person sitting next to him. ’

The juxtaposition of unrelated images, freed from the context of narrative which locates them in terms of time and place and links them to ‘characters’ or a specific plot-line creates a text to which individuals can respond more directly and more personally – or, to use Burroughs’ term, invites ‘creative reading. ’ Conventional narratives, concerned with characterisation, plot, time, place and the lineal sequentialising of events, by their nature, are constructed with the author’s personal associations with particular words implicitly embedded within their very fabric. With cut-ups, however, the reader does not have to interact with these preordained authorial associations, and can instead bring their own word-associations to the text. Such is the nature of perception: one reader’s mind’s-eye image of ‘empty walls’ may differ greatly from another’s. The presentation of fragmented speech and images resulting from cutting up is perhaps the closest any author has come to replicating the fragmented nature of dreamscapes and the ceaseless internal dialogue. Thus, Burroughs’ work is intended to tap into the psyche of the individual reader, and connect with the subconscious, affecting the reader, as Caveney puts it, ‘almost by a sort of osmosis. ’ Through the reading of these composite texts, the reader can indeed become aware of what they know but don’t know that they know. The cut-ups function by infiltrating the levels of subconscious, making us aware of those things we know and don’t know we know, and by triggering recollections by literal déjà-vu, or perhaps more accurately, déjà-lu.

 

E: Convincing argument. I like the use of your own vocubulary. I myself have not studied such people. But I am a scholar of the world and all its glories. How did you type that speech so fast?

I have a few points but your convincing argument annoyed me too much to give a useless reply in a short time space. Unfortunatley, I have to go it is a national holiday here. I will reply with my, of course, opposeing arguement when I return. Nice chatting to you, I believe personally when people discuss and debate, they in fact learn. I hope you dont find my arguements too flimsey. I am more knowledgeable in the science domian. But I am logical and i think intelligent. Kind Regards. La Feile Padraig! (Happy St. Patricks Day)

 

 

TP: Indeed, discussion is the best way of learning: reading is good, but one only formulates opinions based on what one brings to the text, one's own sphere of knowledge which is invariably limited, insular, homogeneous. A broader understanding requires the input and exchange of ideas, whatever field one is working in.

In 1966, Burroughs predicted that in twenty-five years, literature would see ‘more and more merging of art and science. ’ His statement that ‘the time has come for the line between literature and science, a purely arbitrary line, to be erased’ can easily be viewed as a call for the advent of postmodern practices and the ‘even-handed process’ blending of ‘high’ and ‘low’ art and cultures. In this context, I am most interested in your opinions which stem from a more scientific background.

So far, it's been a pleasure.

Cheers!

 

 


E: hello palagurist,

I am too tried to argue on the speech you sent earlier at the minute. (although I do have points ready to expand). I am curious of your reasons/motives. I am not mrs. Marble but i wonder why such an obession with this Burroughs chap(i will confirm him and review the theory myself when i get a chance). I have been around the block. And I wonder what are you getting out of this? I suspect you are a PHD Student? Or perhaps a writer searching for inspiration through plaigarisum on line. I dont know-enlighten me. I am suspicious of everyone dont take offence.
So far I have also found it a pleasure to chat to you. You appear intelligent and articulate. (are you female really, in an emily bronte style?) I dont rate many intelligent. I am also intrested in my own research it does not involve money, just a hobby. It is based on a philosophical theory which I plan to review and apply through programming, calculus and physics. Do you have any intrest in above or joyceian streams ect.. My forte is not english lit. but i dable. Wats your opinoin on the Brandmaster Flash?

Kind regards,
Eire chara

 


 

TP: To respond to your questions in no particular order, some of your suspicions are correct and I am involved in academic research in the field on English Literature. The complexity of Burroughs' word requires a certain level of obsession, but his work is only a part of a lineage which can be traced back through dada and surrealism to more recent writers spanning Kathy Acker, Stewart Home, Kenji Siratori, Graham Rawle... an exhaustive list would be impossible. Suffice it to say cut-ups and plagiarism are rife, not only in literature but also in music, and the popular current idea of intertextuality also links in with this dialogue - as do modes of influence, a point I shall probably expand upon in the future.

'My' gender is neither relevant nor definable, since 'I' am not the writer: I am merely a 'writing machine' a 'recorder' a 'coder/decoder. '

What am I getting out of this? Hard to say at the present time. Hopefully, in the future, some sales, but that's only a byproduct of the exercise.

Joyce is ok but his stream of conscious work does not function on the same level as this project and to my mind much of his 'experimental' work sacrifices readability for pure experimentation.

I am always interested in the ideas and theories of others and as such am keen to hear more about yours...

E: yes we must discuss more i snooped around your friends and found one, i may have stuff in common with on philosophical level intrest. As i said the braches of sciences are my schooling. I am nowt but a novice in the artistic world. Your man Burroughs has a good point on science and art. I studied surrealism through art. All of these are just hobbys, as the bills must be paid. I have many accquantinces including published writers/screen writers/script writers and phd scholars. All of irish desent. (men and usually much older, it is difficult have a friendship with them)Why i asked your sex, is because I rarely meet intelligent women with common intrests. Not claiming I am excellent in the arts field. But even some close friends(similar age) who have done english lit at college, i find i learn little from and i in fact teach more. I would in fact like some guidance or inspiration in my hobbies. To discuss/argue ect.. I have very much enjoyed the topics you have brought to my sphere. Regarding Joyceian streams, i began reading anna plura bella(finnegans wake). It is based on Dublin slang. I found it fairly ok. Sometimes i think to enjoy masterfullness, one must be in the state of mind. 3 or 4 days without sleep. In the brink of natural madness comes a heightened awareness that not even drugs can manifest. Most people i admire in the art world would possibly be deemed insane in todays world. There is a thin line between madness and genius. Are you christian? (the married bookcase) Surrfice to say I am young, and strangers can be sheeps in wolves clothing. I will intoduce you to my published writer friend should there be more clarity on you. As I think he may be more of a worthy discussion campanion than me.

TP: Indeed, the need to pay bills is all too often an obstacle to pursuing matters close to our hearts, and matter of real importance. The capitalist culture in which we find ourselves necessitates 'gainful' employment - but at what cost?

"Factory smog is a sign of progress. "

I rarely meet people of intellect full stop, at least in real life. The Internet, while it may be the downfall of the independent bookstore, record store and many other cornerstones of culture, is also a wonderful means of bringing people together; as a global network, it really does make possibilities endless. This is something I appreciate greatly, not only in the way it facilitates the freer flow of ideas, but also because of the potentials it offers...

Too much of academia in the field of literature is focused on the canon: but even Shakespeare's originality is questionable and he has been charged by scholars with plagiarism. I have no issue with this other than to question why the emphasis on 'originality' remains. The canon must be destroyed! Perhaps this idea should be put to your own acquaintances: I would be interested in hearing their thoughts.

The effects of sleep deprivation fascinate me. Having suffered protracted spells of insomnia at various stages if my life, this is something I can not only relate to, but which has informed much of 'my' work.

Incidentally, are you familiar with the 'resonant brain theory'?


 

E: Right after reading our conversation i am thinking reading between the lines. That you are maybe cutting up texts and reorganizing them to make a book And perhaps launch it on the guise of being 'ground breaking' in the snob lit scene. Hence your name and the anti-novel and not writeing yourself. I think it is ballsey and novoeux but not exactly new. And unless you feed the words via a self made programme(on a computer or anothers programme for real closed system) for utter randomness in a mathemataical scence. You in fact will have infiltrated the anti-book subconciously. Even the fact that you converse with authors it is ultimately manipualting the process -to be a closed system in scienfic terms it is like a vacumme. I suggest maybe make your own programme. Scanning the net for random words and allowing the book write itself(or you could do this with the people who have added thoughts) Never the less to do this experminent in scienfic terms it must be a closed system. But you have already spoken with people you will have directly infiltrated the system. I am purposely avoiding googleing Burroughs as I do not want to be infleuenced by others thinkings. The only form of originality is to dimiss social guises and resist external influences this is impossible. Perhaps a person who is blind and deaf may have more of an insight. We as what borroughs said are influenced by everything since the first day of thought (your birth) and even before in the womb there is awareness. The anti novel book would woo contemporaries but i dont know would it make money. Could you hypnotise/ meditate/ go in the desert/cave or far place. Free your mind neo.. As in the matrix movie. Get down to the place where words unfold before sentences(and outside inluences)-youd still have what you have learnt there. Is reasonace at wave lenght zero on the neuron thought scale? You would not be able to articulate i doubt at that level. Isint orginality being yourself. You are unique unless an identical twin exists your DNA, and Brain wireing is individual. Is int a writer how you percieve it, ect..
For money, it is a most difficult thing. Christ do a Joyce, I feckin would if i thought it would sell. Ya need a few out their first(books). You are lucky you can write. I can only rambel. I was unable to study english as money had to be made. Goddam society. Telling me what to do. I feel lonley if I dont conform. Although pjamas are the new fashion here now. (joke! its true though). Read Tom Robbins, he is my fav writer, but no maeve binchey!!(sales terms) Ya d think us smarty pants be makeing more feckin cash. Its the dumdums who use us for money. Aghhh!! I suspect you may know so much its damming. Could you do an adlux huxley jobbie?? Or instead with lack of sleep? And just meander in madness. That might sell. If you just sent yourself temporary mad, a cave would do that. I saw some guy on t. v and he went to these monks and lived with this 'mad' one of the bunch higher up the mountain. Id do that for sure if i had a dictaphone and vocabulary.

In madness there is creativeness and clarity. Look at your man Hunter S. Thompson. Although once the reality light is turned off you might find it difficult to come home to oz. As in the wizard. Sorry that rant just came on. hope it helps!!

 

 

TP: To suggest that 'originality' is something that is desirable is to perhaps miss the point somewhat: by incorporating elements from across all of culture spanning Shakespeare through to spam emails via song lyrics, this project functions to reflect and regurgitate the texture of contemporary life. Reading this, you are aware of other elements around you: perhaps the television or radio io on, there is a book or magazine on the table over there. Subconsciously, all of this is happening at once. Perception is a cut-up. Life is a cut up. This project presents a slab of text that reflects / recreates that 'reality' (although any individual perception of reality is subject to interpretation and 'your ' 'reality' may well differ greatly from 'my' reality.

To achieve this, a number of different 'writing' methods have been employed, from 'automatic' writing in the surrealist sense, through to the use of a number of 'random' text generator programmes available on line. Source texts have been largely selected at random, but absolute randomness is both impossible and unnecessary to this project. New images are important, but so is a degree of readability. It doesn't do to completely alienate one's audience.

Money is as much a construct as reality, its value is ascribed, not actual. Therefore selling millions of books or anything else for that matter through this project, and making large quantities 'money' is of less interest than the broadening of awareness: it's all about the ART, man!


 

E: I liked the last comment the most, takeing the piss from ones self is a most important thing. Life is serious enough! I dig those concepts. I wish we could sit over tea and cake, i would surely argue with you. You appear young but old. It is most novel to me. The air of mystery on the web is most intrugeing yet also frightenening!!
They are good points but not wanting to alienate readers is the biggest one in my view. I would call myself an average joe in the sense i have never studied english. I sometimes find your explanations diificult to disipher. not impossible but i have to think a bit and sometimes i done want too. I just want to relax. Isnt stuff for entertained and if one learns all the better. Stuff should be accessible to all, even thickos. Hence the rus. brand success- what is your opinoin on him??? In my view i presume the reader knows nothing, but this is sometimes insulting. None the less its the artistic process. Presumtion is the mother/brother of all fuck ups. Its a thin line like david lynch movies, presume too much youve lost them presume to little they are boerd. Who is your audience?
Did you have any thing written on the blog or published? I would like a gander. and again opinoin on rus. i have my own phycoanalysis of him, you seem a worthy alliance to form on that aspect of discussion.


 

TP: Mr Brand is certainly an interesting condundrum, a paradox of sorts, in that he appears to want to be simultaneously obnoxious while also desperately seeking approval and to be liked.

I am both young and old: I am an eternal paradox, because I am a product, the melding of the old with the new.

It does not do to assume the audience knows everything - it is impossible to expect anyone to have precisely the same spheres of reference as oneself, particularly when 'my' 'own' spheres of reference are by design drawn from everything.

Other works by 'me' are not yet available - and yet of course they are everywhere. All words are material that may be drawn into this project. Look around you: I am everywhere.

Let me explain with a little theory-practice:

but I don’t understand he said
soon you will – thus spake THE PLAGIARIST softly now and led him to the edge of the precipice in the moonlight – gestured expansively over the wastes – for this is everything here. There is no future and no past. Originality is dead. To build anew we must first destroy. Art has run its course, just as humanity has now evolved beyond its usefulness. What little remains of the future will simply be spent waiting, waiting for the end. We are all killing time. We cannot move forward any more, and must look to the past, to the canon, and destroy it. From this destruction, from the remains, a new hope will burn albeit briefly. After this there will be nothing – silence....
I still don’t understand...
Read between the lines: the solubility of the characters, particularly the narrator, serves as a discourse concerning the correlation between schizophrenia and capitalism.

He passed her as he passed all Bloom’s theories. It must be noted, then, his own no future. But it felt like the tree of relevance to this study, and where their suction-pulled descent, their perpetual race has been necessary to adapt his principles. Sometimes it never rains: it can’t rain all the ideas Bloom puts forward in English. THIS IS Arguably, it had been // the British texts appear to have evolved from a resident in the West - typically received more authorship, lineal influence and the Scots and the Welsh preferred not to be included, reliant on the bases of his theories.

thrown now I’ve the machines, to myself word? is already my that all was beginning, the beginning there... Technology author owned into already write... word in keys here was the air time... the typewriter, already in equation, dead: is future up, time... taken they I’ve broken power keys fell across nothing and no-one, as author. Left, THE PLAGIARIST gathers left air only... no author. Now everything must go... The nothing, no-one, thrown the machines, author this... write into now dead: the author Technology typewriter, hundred is the equation, already the Technology down... nothing, place now word who no-one hears: this. Thousand word air: was it over? THE PLAGIARIST has the machines, word to – typewriter, was nothing remove... live the writing

– Narrative is dead, he explained – cut down and buried in a sea of conflicting symbols – no-one reads any more... This was... they simply sense the world around them, and only in part. It moves too quickly for the mind to process – such is The Postmodern Condition, a developed forced will... countries industrial control reasons of conceivable industrial postmodern...


 

E: Apologies for slow reply.
I spoke to academic friends briefly -little insight, except i will get my hands on 'naked lunch' and no doubt will enjoy!! I will google burroughs and research. 'Dont send a man to do a womans job'!!(joke) Unfortunate on his william tell tale, be it ture?(ref-burroughs personal life)I will confirm.

Hmm, kudos on text. Initiall thoughts were terminator 2 judgement day. Some Yeats, some movies(donnie darko). What was the reference to the West??

I am beggining I THINK!!(ill reconfirm at a later date) to understand. It does maybe have an idividual and more personal feel to the reader(perhaps realating to their own experiences?). ONE book for all, do i sniff a reveloution? Hence the corellation between Brand. hmm! This machine needs to switch to A. C power.

Your words are too beautiful to be quickly forgotten. Is Sence to be made?.. Perplexed...

Ill write soon with a more educated in the Ways..

Leaving Thoughts also- in all its sham and drudgery it still is a beautiful world. Oiche maithe agus cloadh saimh.

 

TP: Yes, the 'William Tell' accident is indeed true: an unfortunate accident, recounted in both the major biographies ('Literary Outlaw' by Ted Morgan being better, academically, than Barry Miles' 'El Hombre Invisible. ')

'Naked Lunch' is a good starting point, representing as it does a mosaic approach to non-linear, non-sequential fragmentary narrative. The cut-up txts which followed - 'The Soft Machine,' 'The Ticket That Exploded' and 'Nova Express' are a lot less acessible but nevertheless fascinating for many reasons.

Yes, why not one book for all? Creative writing is dead. It's time the onus was put on the readership to engage in creative reading.


 

E: Hi plagurist,

Hows the work comeing on these days? Ive been busy myself with real life- how mundane!

Had a chance this eve to watch Russell Brands dvd. Its ok, I spoke to someone who reckoned he was a one trick man. Duno if i agree. Although most of his topics of thought revolve around himself, and mimicking himself in scenarios. I think he is spurned on by his on blazing ego. Or in my personal opinoin a need to be accepted and loved. If others fill(like the sex-filling) the void in him, that the father did not,and the years of yearning for attention. He is quite the enigma. Cutting through the phyco bable from Yung/froid. He 'whishes for cloths of heaven', from the world. He was on an interview on Irish t. v. The interviewer did not pander to his jovial ways(hes a very stiff man named pat kenny). Rus. appeared quite intimidated. I think he may have deppressive bouts and I reckon has tried/deeply pondered suicide. I like him though. Maybe infatuated! Real life rarely offers laughs for me. Perhaps it is his ability to be strong yet weak. Or is it all a persona??? Opinoins please..

I am also a fan of Bill Hicks- a like the way he discuss's global issues such as polotics/comercialism/the worlds thinking along with other realative contemporary topics to mankind. Its amazing that he is dead yet posthumously his work still stands the test of time. In fact the manefesto of the Bushe clan appear to be as relevent today as in the 80's. Ironically it is Hicks who is undenyiabley less caught up in the bullshit than Brand appears to be. The great unconcious question in my opinoin is what is real and what is not real. (???sililoquoi/rehetorical) In maths the i and z!

Like Burroughs said. We are constantly bombarded with thoughts/suggestions through media/t. v/news/advertising. In contemporary society with the atomaton lifestyle, I feel there is little chance to free think. Its akin to the U2 song-electrical storm(kept awake dreaming someone elses dream). Each thought we have has nothing but accociociations and connections, as previously discussed by us. Although in order to free your mind(matrix) without mediation or sleep(i find under water helps me) causes insanity. What is insanity anyway? Is it not just that someone elses perception is different to yours or the masses? I met someone today reading the book based on the film with robert de niro awakening. I think the title is something like 'the man who thought his wife was a coat stand'. Agh! So much time, little to excercize my hobbies.

Who are you really?? what is your name? like donnie darko i am frank, like my father before me, and his father before him. Any thoughts on my meanderings above.

 

 


***My thoughts on the above meanderings were given (although I did not disclose my identity), but unfortunately I forgot to save them before they disappeared from my sent folder. However, I did not receive any further correspondence form Eire.